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Monday, February 27, 2006
a scanner darkly
Cool style by the director of waking life. I can wait to see it. Probably wont release in India so have to wait for the DVD. trailer
10 comments:
Anonymous
said...
'A Scanner Darkly' is a novel by Philip K. Dick (also the author of novels which became Bladerunner, Total Recall, Minority Report, Paycheck & 13th Floor). Towards the end of his life he had spiritual/psychedelic visions & 'Waking Life' was mostly about Lucid Dreaming. I believe this new movie would be a fitting tribute to Philip K Dick the visionary.
Manu, This is in reference to your other post about "hype". You have to understand some things about the animation industry in India.
1>Most press releases are paid for by animation studios to generate "buzz".This buzz leads to people investing in their otherwise hopeless business models. You have yourself raised a lot of "buzz" by starting a "huge animation facility" that can handle "Hollywood projects", not to mention a training facility that offers short term courses. What makes you think that you are the solution and not part of the problem?
2>Animation doesnt exist here as a language or part of the culture.People here arent going to spend 5 years studying and understanding the human form so that they can animate better.This fundamental lack of a foundation makes it very hard to do good cg work.Most of the artists you hire havent even seen a nude woman before and their basic lack of knowledge about anatomy will shock you.
3>The people doing cg here are mostly button pushers, not artists. Even the 2d artists here show an absolute lack of understanding of basic subjects such as perspective , form and colour.
4>Indians in general have very bad taste and a horrible colour sense. In animation you take thousands of aesthetic decisions to make something appealing, wether its moving or a static character design This bad taste will constantly manifest itself throughout your production processes , be it modelling or texturing.Take a look at Jadoo on Nick or Tenali Rama on Pogo to truly understand what the word bad taste means.
5>Any cg animation facility requires a good pipeline and great TDs to make sure that the artists can deliver.The TDs here in India are mostly button pushers and while they can do some basic technical stuff, there are very few people who can code say a plug-in between Maya and Houdini to exchange data.Designing pipelines that can take advantage of the latest technology is beyond them.
6>The Tds and artists that can achieve these high standards have already left India and are working abroad.Most of them are working as programmers in vfx companies and low-level 3d artists in games companies.This lack of a strong base will not be solved by throwing lots of money at it, rather an understanding of what is lacking and taking strong steps to correct it at an undergraduate level.
7>Shader writers and look TDs are non-existent here and as for lighting, you can forget it. No-one here lights well, (please see above point on bad taste).
8>There is a complete lack of law enforcement in this country, as soon as you train an artist/td he will leave you for a position that offers more money.Complete disregard of contracts and poaching is the norm.
9>Most of the MDs and CEOs of animation studios in this country cant even hold a pencil or tell a story.Their business fundamentals are based on selling as many low cost manhours as they possibly can to the detriment of art and the talent involved.These guys are the ones driving the hype...search around for succesful business models and you will run into very few examples.
10>The industry lacks people who tell good stories in an entertaining way.Why dont you make a short with the money you have, prove that a team here can actually make "good product" , and let your work speak for itself?
I appreciate your concerns and I share many of them and that is why i think there is a lot of hype in India. Companies and even TD's dont understand the meaning of "pipeline". Artists dont have solid base in training. Storytelling in animation is not a tradition. I agree.
The solution is not to sit and do nothing about it and complain. The solution is to do something about it. There are really talented artists out here who draw and animate really really well. Just because your dont see them doesnt mean they are not there. We are a billion people in India!
What r we doing about problems? We teach at Takshaa even though its not the most profitable thing to do. We have conducted dozens of free sessions before even takshaa opened. In the studio we foster quality and push people to do the best. All I can say is that we are trying to so all those things your said. Making short films etc. Its not easy but we are trying. Animation is expensive, time wise and money wise. Our work does speak of itself.
Hi Manu, I think what you are trying you achieve is fine , dont get me wrong!
There is a difference between complaining and analyzing a situation....I hope you will accept my comments as just an analysis , not a critique.
The same reasons why we cannot win a gold in the Olympics is the reason the animation industry is so screwed here.
We are a nation of 1 billion people , true , but if numbers were an indication of ability we would have that Olympic gold...agreed?
The fundamental lack of that 4 year art/animation course, which should be based on artistic merit(and not fees) is completely lacking here. Pursuit of excellence above all else is something that comes from within, it cannot be taught.I challenge you to find even one art faculty or artist in Bangalore who knows anatomy(not just copies from Image comics) to the level which is taught in Sheridan.Surely, as you said, in a nation of 1 billion there has to be one? If that base is not there, any edifice you attempt to build will crumble.
Please visit Gotham comics , they have been in this game far longer than you and they have completely failed in getting a single artist who can draw convincing anatomy.
There are very few artists here who can draw and animate to the standards that you are trying to achieve...2d sweatshops do not a great animator make.
Let me illustrate with a bit of history....
The two major studios that were doing animation in India were Rammohan in Mumbai and Millitoons in Chennai.As far as I could see , they were the only ones who did any kind of quality work....following Disney rules and delivering quality work consistently over time.
However, for various reasons, the creative side of people there was rarely encouraged.The xsheets were timed by key animators abroad and really, all that happened here was superior execution....and very rarely did people think about fundamentals such as acting, character or story.The key animators(many of whom are supervisors in 3d and 2d sweatshops here) cannot design an appealing character or story.Visit ISKON to see that reality.
This is why I feel that unless you correct the fundamentals, there will be no hope for the future.
As for training being not profitable...wake up! The only people benefiting financially are the "schools" which teach animation around here...please visit ANTS, MAAC,ANIMASTER , etc. etc....they should be jailed for what they are doing!
Understand that as long as you offer short term courses , you too will be in the same league.
They are so profitable that , in NASSCOM this year, the Intel VC fund admitted that theirs was the only financial model they would consider investing in..certainly not a studio model that trumpets quality animation as its sole USP.
Im assuming your funding is coming from family and friends...try going to a bank or a VC and convince them about your business model of animation in India.You might be suprised at their reaction.Traditionally, studios like DQ or Paprikaas are funded by real-estate people (or doctors) who dont mind losing that much money....most of it is black money anyways.
If you are running a business, it will stand or fail depending on how clearly you see the marketplace.The market has no room for wishes and aspirations, the market only cares about supply and demand.
Jadooworks shut down following your business model..ask around and you'll find out why.They couldnt deliver their work on time and the work went elsewhere.This was the cream of the Indian CG industry and the level of incompetence there was shocking...delays of upto 6 months on an episode is inexcusable..ask some of the former Jadoo employees why.Im sure you must have a couple lying around.
To sum up, the fundamental lack of training at an undergraduate level is whats lacking, and no amount of studio training can correct that.
As for countries like South Korea, you have to travel there , as I did ,to understand why they have such cracking animators. Decades of funding and support from the goverment went in, before they saw results.Who has that kind of longterm vision here?Decades?
They enforced rules such as 70% homegrown content on TV channels so their studios could walk and then run....best of luck talking to the guys who run DD here about that.
Dont lose that fire, but dont wear blinkers either....faith and hope do not equal capability.
As for your studios work, why dont you put some of it on your blog(instead of shiny new building pictures?).Word spreads fast when the work is good...thats what I meant about walking the talk.A few avis and jpgs is all Im asking for.
Hi Manu! I am Ramkrishna and what i would like to say is that:- Tom and jerry was made long long ago and there was no haste and rush in the making of it as it is today in the 'outsourcing tradition of art.' it is still watched with wide eyes by all of us. it worked and is still working ...toys, games, comics of tom and jerry are everywhere and the artistic brilliance that went in the making of it is striking and simple.
people who can understand this i.e., aesthetics of animation and have had a little or good experience in the making of any good quality animation film (anywhere in the world)can also produce a film of tom and jerry type and class even today and in India too.I strongly believe in this. those who have done it in India so far(so called animation, entertainment studios across the country)just do hastily and earn as much and as fast as they can... and the people who get it done are those who see money that comes after film is produced and not the quality that actually brings money.
if the focus is on quality then i believe money follows and so the business. if we as indians want to make a mark in the international animation scenario...we need to keep aside that 'outsourcing tradition' and come out with genuine stuff.
i want to say that at some point in the history of India there has to be a time when some original animation is done or atleast convincing animation is to be made... and to do that the talented artists who are amidst us ARE ENOUGH. they need a little RIGHT training. thatz all. and it works.
In the Indian TV ad commercials I see (almost daily) very good animation. they are COMPLETELY done in india. be them 2D, 3D, claymation etc.,(amaron battery etc., etc.,)
To make an animation work all we need to have is a little more understanding of the technical details(anatomy, light shade gravity etc.,)and ATTITUDE and one need not be a Michael Angelo right? He could be just another artist/graphic designer/sculptor from the next block and some uncle to fund for his work.
the guy blinking at the topleft corner of this web page speaks for himself...about the possibilities that can happen in India. his stare speaks his desperation to do animation(ha ha ha)
May be it is better for earlier Anonymous bloggers (who have commented about our failure in making good animation) to check out some Indian TV ADs with animation content... after seeing 'em I was convinced that we can do.
so after going through all the comments and a kinda research work on whats happening in India about anim... i would conclude that if we could fill those missing pieces we can make it.
I really that your for your articulate views on the industry. As it happens I agree with most of them except the pessimestic viewpoint. If we go down point by point then we have nothing to disagree with except our visions for the future. I think the future is bright.
I dont think so because I have a business model that requires me to believe so. I believe it cause i have met the artists here. We (raj, aaraty, bill etc) decided to start an company in india a full 6 months after I came back to india. I used those 6 months to talk to as many people as I could about the industry. Businessmen, artists, students etc. Over all I agree there is a picture of gloom and animation is a quick way of making stock market money. But every now and then you find a gem, a person who has vision and IS WILLING to invest the time to learn. Some who APPRECIATES the difference between motion and animation. Some one who understands that lighting a scene is not merely putting lights in it its about telling a story.
YOu know it is these people who are the future of the industry. These people will make a toy story in india someday. It doesnt take the entire industry to be on the same page to achieve a revolution. It just takes a critical mass.
I belive we have a critical mass now and thats why i started a studio.
Why i dont post work online? Boy I wish to so much. But as a studio not everything you do can be posted online. Atleast not yet.
Basically indians are great artists,story tellers,writers.
Who can write the epics like the Ramayana,The mahabharata and Bhagavatam other than indians?
-Created Innumorous characters,behaviours attitudes,powers,curses and their reliefs,sub stories with such a great consitency. -Symbolized the universal creation concepts,Gods and discussion of society problems & indicating solutions with simple stories.
Through out the stories across the epics nobody can find out a missed link. -Innumourous gods and their design to suit their portfolio and character,ornaments,powers,departments and organization of universe(creation,administration,destruction..etc) -Nobody other than Indians can visualize & symbolize that many number of gods. This is not at all a religious related discussion,but to emphasize that Indians are the great creative people in the world through out the history.
Basically Indian environment, culture supports a simple living like Simple food(Easily you can earn),sleep(You can sleep under a tree) so after getting satisfied with physiological needs any human thinks of Entertainment,thats why somany forms of art have come out of indians.
-If we go in to the details how a Ganesha creation was made,There is a story with a cause, conflict, background in it. Who can give such a small "mooshikka(rat)" as a 'Vehicle'to such a big god.This it self a great conflict and quite interesting.Isn't it.
To conclude this discussion,I can say that Indian art form is totally imaginative where as other art form is based on realistic terms.
good to see some action here... looks like there are more people with a similar perspective... Hello Manu and Anon...
Indians "were" artists... now its a different situation out here... Indians can do anything for cash... They can put on a funny american accent and names for call center jobs and can program and even animate....
Its just the culture and population what makes it kinda trouble giving to work there... Jadoo was highly organized and my seniors had no idea which is blue and which is red...
Its peoples attitude and approach what kills the potential there... When I wanted to do something, there was everyone else to say I am wrong... I just gave up for the time being... Had some plans to start a facility in banglore but now since manu has started, I will watch and see how it goes...Not to use the cheap manpower, to build up something which can be a model for others... But I hate to come back there and live in that polutted country screwing up my health... 1 billion population is a myth.. not even a single million who has brains and balls... gotta chk out with bush uncle if he can bomb India and clean up the scum...
Manu, u better get a double barrel shot gun if you recruit people from there... teach them how to think on their own... teach them the importance of color and quality... teach them how to respect their colleagues... teach them how to live, how to talk polietly... teach them how to be broad minded... teach them how to be simple and humble... else just shoot them...
so far i havent learnt animation in life. . .done only a little immature scribbling... but there is something life taught me...
if people lack color understanding, anatomy, perspective etc., they can be taught...
if people lack proper management they can be corrected...
if they forgot art and literature they can be made to understand...
if they lack politeness,individual dignity and towards others or in other words if they dont have the attitude they can be educated... and thats not done in a day or two... nature has its own way to do it.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY AMIDST ANY GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCE HOWEVER CHAOTIC IT COULD BE...FINDING OUT POSSIBILITIES OF REACHING OUR DREAMS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE... IT IS ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IN BAD TIMES... ITS ABOUT STANDING AND LOOKING FORWARD...
Though not animation, life in India has taught me this so far. I am gonna implement this in my career in animation.
to put it simply it is about possibilities and learning from others' mistakes and of our own and yet continuing to work towards our dreams and no set of circumstances can deviate you from your focus.
I think you ppl needto breathe a lil... step back and realize that the indian animation industry is only at its infancy right now!
I do not agree that Indians are bad animators! Case in point Amaron Battery commercial. There is tremendous possibility for animation to grow here... but the problem is we'r too afriad to take a few risks and do something on our own!!
I think we need to stop living on the projects that we get from outside and start to develop our own signature!
Thats alll we lack!!
Just coz we can't afford to make HUGE blockbuster movies like shrek and open season doesn't mean we ain't got it!
And Its high time we stop ape-ing the west and start to use our own culture as an inspiration in our art!!
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'A Scanner Darkly' is a novel by Philip K. Dick (also the author of novels which became Bladerunner, Total Recall, Minority Report, Paycheck & 13th Floor). Towards the end of his life he had spiritual/psychedelic visions & 'Waking Life' was mostly about Lucid Dreaming. I believe this new movie would be a fitting tribute to Philip K Dick the visionary.
Manu,
This is in reference to your other post about "hype".
You have to understand some things about the animation industry in India.
1>Most press releases are paid for by animation studios to generate "buzz".This buzz leads to people investing in their otherwise hopeless business models.
You have yourself raised a lot of "buzz" by starting a "huge animation facility" that can handle "Hollywood projects", not to mention a training facility that offers short term courses.
What makes you think that you are the solution and not part of the problem?
2>Animation doesnt exist here as a language or part of the culture.People here arent going to spend 5 years studying and understanding the human form so that they can animate better.This fundamental lack of a foundation makes it very hard to do good cg work.Most of the artists you hire havent even seen a nude woman before and their basic lack of knowledge about anatomy will shock you.
3>The people doing cg here are mostly button pushers, not artists.
Even the 2d artists here show an absolute lack of understanding of basic subjects such as perspective , form and colour.
4>Indians in general have very bad taste and a horrible colour sense.
In animation you take thousands of aesthetic decisions to make something appealing, wether its moving or a static character design
This bad taste will constantly manifest itself throughout your production processes , be it modelling or texturing.Take a look at Jadoo on Nick or Tenali Rama on Pogo to truly understand what the word bad taste means.
5>Any cg animation facility requires a good pipeline and great TDs to make sure that the artists can deliver.The TDs here in India are mostly button pushers and while they can do some basic technical stuff, there are very few people who can code say a plug-in between Maya and Houdini to exchange data.Designing pipelines that can take advantage of the latest technology is beyond them.
6>The Tds and artists that can achieve these high standards have already left India and are working abroad.Most of them are working as programmers in vfx companies and low-level 3d artists in games companies.This lack of a strong base will not be solved by throwing lots of money at it, rather an understanding of what is lacking and taking strong steps to correct it at an undergraduate level.
7>Shader writers and look TDs are non-existent here and as for lighting, you can forget it.
No-one here lights well, (please see above point on bad taste).
8>There is a complete lack of law enforcement in this country, as soon as you train an artist/td he will leave you for a position that offers more money.Complete disregard of contracts and poaching is the norm.
9>Most of the MDs and CEOs of animation studios in this country cant even hold a pencil or tell a story.Their business fundamentals are based on selling as many low cost manhours as they possibly can to the detriment of art and the talent involved.These guys are the ones driving the hype...search around for succesful business models and you will run into very few examples.
10>The industry lacks people who tell good stories in an entertaining way.Why dont you make a short with the money you have, prove that a team here can actually make "good product" , and let your work speak for itself?
Hi anon,
I appreciate your concerns and I share many of them and that is why i think there is a lot of hype in India. Companies and even TD's dont understand the meaning of "pipeline". Artists dont have solid base in training. Storytelling in animation is not a tradition. I agree.
The solution is not to sit and do nothing about it and complain. The solution is to do something about it. There are really talented artists out here who draw and animate really really well. Just because your dont see them doesnt mean they are not there. We are a billion people in India!
What r we doing about problems? We teach at Takshaa even though its not the most profitable thing to do. We have conducted dozens of free sessions before even takshaa opened. In the studio we foster quality and push people to do the best. All I can say is that we are trying to so all those things your said. Making short films etc. Its not easy but we are trying. Animation is expensive, time wise and money wise. Our work does speak of itself.
Hi Manu,
I think what you are trying you achieve is fine , dont get me wrong!
There is a difference between complaining and analyzing a situation....I hope you will accept my comments as just an analysis , not a critique.
The same reasons why we cannot win a gold in the Olympics is the reason the animation industry is so screwed here.
We are a nation of 1 billion people , true , but if numbers were an indication of ability we would have that Olympic gold...agreed?
The fundamental lack of that 4 year art/animation course, which should be based on artistic merit(and not fees) is completely lacking here.
Pursuit of excellence above all else is something that comes from within, it cannot be taught.I challenge you to find even one art faculty or artist in Bangalore who knows anatomy(not just copies from Image comics) to the level which is taught in Sheridan.Surely, as you said, in a nation of 1 billion there has to be one?
If that base is not there, any edifice you attempt to build will crumble.
Please visit Gotham comics , they have been in this game far longer than you and they have completely failed in getting a single artist who can draw convincing anatomy.
There are very few artists here who can draw and animate to the standards that you are trying to achieve...2d sweatshops do not a great animator make.
Let me illustrate with a bit of history....
The two major studios that were doing animation in India were Rammohan in Mumbai and Millitoons in Chennai.As far as I could see , they were the only ones who did any kind of quality work....following Disney rules and delivering quality work consistently over time.
However, for various reasons, the creative side of people there was rarely encouraged.The xsheets were timed by key animators abroad and really, all that happened here was superior execution....and very rarely did people think about fundamentals such as acting, character or story.The key animators(many of whom are supervisors in 3d and 2d sweatshops here) cannot design an appealing character or story.Visit ISKON to see that reality.
This is why I feel that unless you correct the fundamentals, there will be no hope for the future.
As for training being not profitable...wake up!
The only people benefiting financially are the "schools" which teach animation around here...please visit ANTS, MAAC,ANIMASTER , etc. etc....they should be jailed for what they are doing!
Understand that as long as
you offer short term courses , you too will be in the same league.
They are so profitable that , in NASSCOM this year, the Intel VC fund admitted that theirs was the only financial model they would consider investing in..certainly not a studio model that trumpets quality animation as its sole USP.
Im assuming your funding is coming from family and friends...try going to a bank or a VC and convince them about your business model of animation in India.You might be suprised at their reaction.Traditionally, studios like DQ or Paprikaas are funded by real-estate people (or doctors) who dont mind losing that much money....most of it is black money anyways.
If you are running a business, it will stand or fail depending on how clearly you see the marketplace.The market has no room for wishes and aspirations, the market only cares about supply and demand.
Jadooworks shut down following your business model..ask around and you'll find out why.They couldnt deliver their work on time and the work went elsewhere.This was the cream of the Indian CG industry and the level of incompetence there was shocking...delays of upto 6 months on an episode is inexcusable..ask some of the former Jadoo employees why.Im sure you must have a couple lying around.
To sum up, the fundamental lack of training at an undergraduate level is whats lacking, and no amount of studio training can correct that.
As for countries like South Korea, you have to travel there , as I did ,to understand why they have such cracking animators.
Decades of funding and support from the goverment went in, before they saw results.Who has that kind of longterm vision here?Decades?
They enforced rules such as 70% homegrown content on TV channels so their studios could walk and then run....best of luck talking to the guys who run DD here about that.
Dont lose that fire, but dont wear blinkers either....faith and hope do not equal capability.
As for your studios work, why dont you put some of it on your blog(instead of shiny new building pictures?).Word spreads fast when the work is good...thats what I meant about walking the talk.A few avis and jpgs is all Im asking for.
Hi Manu!
I am Ramkrishna and what i would like to say is that:-
Tom and jerry was made long long ago and there was no haste and rush in the making of it as it is today in the 'outsourcing tradition of art.' it is still watched with wide eyes by all of us. it worked and is still working ...toys, games, comics of tom and jerry are everywhere and the artistic brilliance that went in the making of it is striking and simple.
people who can understand this i.e., aesthetics of animation and have had a little or good experience in the making of any good quality animation film (anywhere in the world)can also produce a film of tom and jerry type and class even today and in India too.I strongly believe in this. those who have done it in India so far(so called animation, entertainment studios across the country)just do hastily and earn as much and as fast as they can... and the people who get it done are those who see money that comes after film is produced and not the quality that actually brings money.
if the focus is on quality then i believe money follows and so the business. if we as indians want to make a mark in the international animation scenario...we need to keep aside that 'outsourcing tradition' and come out with genuine stuff.
i want to say that at some point in the history of India there has to be a time when some original animation is done or atleast convincing animation is to be made...
and to do that the talented artists who are amidst us ARE ENOUGH. they need a little RIGHT training. thatz all. and it works.
In the Indian TV ad commercials I see (almost daily) very good animation. they are COMPLETELY done in india. be them 2D, 3D, claymation etc.,(amaron battery etc., etc.,)
To make an animation work all we need to have is a little more understanding of the technical details(anatomy, light shade gravity etc.,)and ATTITUDE and one need not be a Michael Angelo right? He could be just another artist/graphic designer/sculptor from the next block and some uncle to fund for his work.
the guy blinking at the topleft corner of this web page speaks for himself...about the possibilities that can happen in India.
his stare speaks his desperation to do animation(ha ha ha)
May be it is better for earlier Anonymous bloggers (who have commented about our failure in making good animation) to check out some Indian TV ADs with animation content... after seeing 'em I was convinced that we can do.
so after going through all the comments and a kinda research work on whats happening in India about anim... i would conclude that if we could fill those missing pieces we can make it.
Hi,
I really that your for your articulate views on the industry. As it happens I agree with most of them except the pessimestic viewpoint. If we go down point by point then we have nothing to disagree with except our visions for the future. I think the future is bright.
I dont think so because I have a business model that requires me to believe so. I believe it cause i have met the artists here. We (raj, aaraty, bill etc) decided to start an company in india a full 6 months after I came back to india. I used those 6 months to talk to as many people as I could about the industry. Businessmen, artists, students etc. Over all I agree there is a picture of gloom and animation is a quick way of making stock market money. But every now and then you find a gem, a person who has vision and IS WILLING to invest the time to learn. Some who APPRECIATES the difference between motion and animation. Some one who understands that lighting a scene is not merely putting lights in it its about telling a story.
YOu know it is these people who are the future of the industry. These people will make a toy story in india someday. It doesnt take the entire industry to be on the same page to achieve a revolution. It just takes a critical mass.
I belive we have a critical mass now and thats why i started a studio.
Why i dont post work online? Boy I wish to so much. But as a studio not everything you do can be posted online. Atleast not yet.
INDIANs are Gifted artists:
Basically indians are great artists,story tellers,writers.
Who can write the epics like the Ramayana,The mahabharata and Bhagavatam other than indians?
-Created Innumorous characters,behaviours attitudes,powers,curses and their reliefs,sub stories with such a great consitency.
-Symbolized the universal creation concepts,Gods and discussion of society problems & indicating solutions with simple stories.
Through out the stories across the epics nobody can find out a missed link.
-Innumourous gods and their design to suit their portfolio and character,ornaments,powers,departments and organization of universe(creation,administration,destruction..etc)
-Nobody other than Indians can visualize & symbolize that many number of gods.
This is not at all a religious related discussion,but to emphasize that Indians are the great creative people in the world through out the history.
Basically Indian environment, culture supports a simple living like Simple food(Easily you can earn),sleep(You can sleep under a tree) so after getting satisfied with physiological needs any human thinks of Entertainment,thats why somany forms of art have come out of indians.
-If we go in to the details how a Ganesha creation was made,There is a story with a cause, conflict, background in it.
Who can give such a small "mooshikka(rat)" as a 'Vehicle'to such a big god.This it self a great conflict and quite interesting.Isn't it.
To conclude this discussion,I can say that Indian art form is totally imaginative where as other art form is based on realistic terms.
good to see some action here... looks like there are more people with a similar perspective... Hello Manu and Anon...
Indians "were" artists... now its a different situation out here... Indians can do anything for cash... They can put on a funny american accent and names for call center jobs and can program and even animate....
Its just the culture and population what makes it kinda trouble giving to work there... Jadoo was highly organized and my seniors had no idea which is blue and which is red...
Its peoples attitude and approach what kills the potential there... When I wanted to do something, there was everyone else to say I am wrong... I just gave up for the time being... Had some plans to start a facility in banglore but now since manu has started, I will watch and see how it goes...Not to use the cheap manpower, to build up something which can be a model for others... But I hate to come back there and live in that polutted country screwing up my health... 1 billion population is a myth.. not even a single million who has brains and balls... gotta chk out with bush uncle if he can bomb India and clean up the scum...
Manu, u better get a double barrel shot gun if you recruit people from there... teach them how to think on their own... teach them the importance of color and quality... teach them how to respect their colleagues... teach them how to live, how to talk polietly... teach them how to be broad minded... teach them how to be simple and humble... else just shoot them...
cheers
hi dudes!
so far i havent learnt animation in life. . .done only a little immature scribbling...
but there is something life taught me...
if people lack color understanding, anatomy, perspective etc., they can be taught...
if people lack proper management they can be corrected...
if they forgot art and literature they can be made to understand...
if they lack politeness,individual dignity and towards others or in other words if they dont have the attitude they can be educated... and thats not done in a day or two... nature has its own way to do it.
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY AMIDST ANY GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCE HOWEVER CHAOTIC IT COULD BE...FINDING OUT POSSIBILITIES OF REACHING OUR DREAMS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE... IT IS ABOUT OUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IN BAD TIMES... ITS ABOUT STANDING AND LOOKING FORWARD...
Though not animation, life in India has taught me this so far. I am gonna implement this in my career in animation.
to put it simply it is about possibilities and learning from others' mistakes and of our own and yet continuing to work towards our dreams
and no set of circumstances can deviate you from your focus.
- Ramakrishna.
hey guys!
I think you ppl needto breathe a lil... step back and realize that the indian animation industry is only at its infancy right now!
I do not agree that Indians are bad animators! Case in point Amaron Battery commercial. There is tremendous possibility for animation to grow here... but the problem is we'r too afriad to take a few risks and do something on our own!!
I think we need to stop living on the projects that we get from outside and start to develop our own signature!
Thats alll we lack!!
Just coz we can't afford to make HUGE blockbuster movies like shrek and open season doesn't mean we ain't got it!
And Its high time we stop ape-ing the west and start to use our own culture as an inspiration in our art!!
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